Note by @fastfinge

Andre Louis @FreakyFwoof@universeodon.com

I just had a genuinely visceral reaction to an article titled 'Switching to Microsoft Teams is getting a lot easier'
I shouted allowed, 'No!!!' Just like that.
You ever been on a plane when some little shittington brat is kicking the back of your seat and you turn around to the parent and just give them the look of... 'Sort it out?'
That's how the title of that aarticle made me feel internally.

I could think of very few things I'd like to do do less honestly.
Teams is a parasite on software society and should be canned last week. Dead. Gone. Buried more impressively than those Atari games in the desert.

🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca

@FreakyFwoof It's better than it used to be. And zoom is worse than it used to be. I suspect at some point they'll intersect and everything will suck.

Andre Louis @FreakyFwoof@universeodon.com

@fastfinge What happens with zoom for you? At least on Mac, it doesn't ever cause me any problems. I can have 10 flawless zoom calls in a row and 0 flawless teams calls. It has never once happened to me. As in, literally never.

🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca

@FreakyFwoof Access to stuff like in-meeting chat and files has been slowly getting more and more awkward on Zoom. The calendar synchronization sometimes just quits for no reason. Sometimes sending calendar invites aren't sent with the settings you configured for them. Sometimes pre-meeting notifications just don't happen. Raise hand and other interactions often don't get read out. Sometimes the recording and AI disclaimers don't get screen reader focus. The same happens to poles sometimes. Especially on mac, sometimes sharing audio from a screen share just breaks for no reason. Where I work, we use Zoom for everything (meetings, corporate chat, files, whiteboards, documents, notes, contact and calendar management, the phone system), so I'm often in five or six hours of Zoom meetings a day. The meeting quality itself has stayed excellent. But it's all the other things around it on Zoom that are slowly getting worse. And it's those same things that are slowly improving on Teams.

Andre Louis @FreakyFwoof@universeodon.com

@fastfinge Aah, I confess I don't share audio like that, I do so via mixer, and never have used the calendar integrations etc. I just get my students to enable the original sound and stereo options, and I turn on the AI summaries which is actually most excellent. Much less than you use it I guess, though I do have several meetings a week.

🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca

@FreakyFwoof Yes, AI summaries are amazing. We have Zoom's sales management thing, so I can actually get insights across multiple meetings. Wonderful when I'm meeting with two or three different teams about the same project.

Matthew J @bermudianbrit@mastodon.online

@fastfinge @FreakyFwoof ah yes. meeting summaries. A fantastic thing...until the client leaves the meeting and the remaining people bitch about how unreasonable and moronic the client is in the same call...only for a client to be emailed a beautifully presented summary of their thoughts. Yep yep...never seen that happen. no sir.

🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca

@bermudianbrit @FreakyFwoof There's a setting in Zoom to only send each person the summary of the parts of the meeting they were there for.

Matthew J @bermudianbrit@mastodon.online

@fastfinge @FreakyFwoof well. I don't think Teams has/had such a setting...or at least. I can confirm that several rather senior partners at the firm I work at...didn't know about it if it did

James H @quanin@allovertheplace.ca

@fastfinge @FreakyFwoof Someone should repeatedly tap Zoom on the shoulder for an accessibility audit until they submit. Though I, personally, haven't seen this behaviour so it may be a YMMV situation.

Andre Louis @FreakyFwoof@universeodon.com

@quanin @fastfinge I still rather give zoom my money than MS though. I just can't even.

James H @quanin@allovertheplace.ca

@FreakyFwoof @fastfinge To be fair, I'd rather give anyone my money than MS if that money would otherwise be going to Teams.

🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca

@quanin @FreakyFwoof It is. Things work on one machine fine, and don't work on another one. And both machines are identical hardware created from a corporate image. I dunno. I think it's because Zoom created their own accessibility stack instead of using a library like AccessKit, so the way they implement the API's isn't battle-tested the way it is for other apps.