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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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Jami could be a skype replacement if only accessibility was cross-platform: Jami is a fully peer to peer chat application that supports text and video, but is only on mobile: stuff.interfree.ca/2025/05/08/jami.html
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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Update: without any outreach, advocacy, or prompting on my part, I received an email from one of the developers letting me know that they're aware of the issues with the desktop application and are working on fixing them. I have updated my original post with the text of the email: stuff.interfree.ca/2025/05/08/jami.html
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modulux @modulux@node.isonomia.net
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@fastfinge I'm really interested in this one as well, got it installed on windows but all the unlabelled buttons make it hard to use. I think it would be just about bearably doable for voice calls, but haven't had the chance to try it yet.
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Cleverson has moved @clv0@cwb.social
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@pixelate @fastfinge Great! Lets hope it doesn't require much time for them to sort it out.
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Peter Vágner @pvagner@fedi.ml
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@clv0 @pixelate @fastfinge Frankly, we had an attempt to test and use this about a year ago.
At that time I was also excited.
I'd be interested if you can say the accessibility of jami has improved since that time...

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Brandon @serrebi@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge Your links in these posts don't work in Tweesecake unless I view post and manually copy paste: Consider including https:// or something it would probably work then.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi As I say in every thread, yes, they do. Tweesecake removes them because it doesn't understand HTML formatting, and isn't smart enough to find the text only version of the post that's included just for that purpose, because it's a deeply, deeply broken application.
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Brandon @serrebi@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge I should really check out twBlue. Thanks.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi Sadly I don't think its getting updates anymore. Your best bet is enafore.social.
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Brandon @serrebi@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge A new version of TwBlue came out yesterday with many changes. I was already considering to at least look at it haha.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi Oh, good to know! I wonder if it works with things other than Mastodon yet? I'm using iceshrimp and it didn't previously.
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Brandon @serrebi@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge They made it work with goto social. I dunno about other activity pub things.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi Oh ummm they have the release year as 2024 when it should be 2025 ROFL!
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Brandon @serrebi@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge I'm not sure what happened here. I saw info about a release yesterday but now it's gone. lol. I know it was twblue though, and it seems to be active so I must not be seeing things.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi It's still listed on their website but not their github for some reason. Then when you download it from the website it asks you to update to the old version again.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@serrebi Ummm latest release I can find is v2025.03.08 on github.
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Casey Reeves (it/its) @xogium@tech.lgbt
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@fastfinge @serrebi I can't find that new release at all, and on github tags page for mcv software twblue it is 2023 rlease. It's also gone from the website with 2024.05.23 being latest release there.
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Alex Chapman @alexchapman@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge I have taken a look at it, its certainly interesting.
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Hunter Jozwiak @sektor@social.hunterjozwiak.com
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@fastfinge I don't remember having that many problems with Jami when @storm and I tested it a while back. We were able to speak to each other.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
1y
@sektor @storm What OS? On Windows 11 you can't tab to previous messages, and a lot of buttons have no labels.
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Hunter Jozwiak @sektor@social.hunterjozwiak.com
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
1y
@sektor @storm Yeah, QT uses native GTK stuff on Linux doesn't it? So that might be the only time Linux accessibility is better.
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Hunter Jozwiak @sektor@social.hunterjozwiak.com
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@fastfinge @storm QT and GTK are their own separate frameworks.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@sektor @storm Right but qt is native on Linux.
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Alex Chapman @alexchapman@tweesecake.social
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@fastfinge @sektor @storm When done right, QT can be fully accessible on Windows as well. It looks like the devs don't quite know how to completely make it accessible on Windows.
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Peter Vágner @pvagner@fedi.ml
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@fastfinge @storm @sektor On linux QT uses at-spi2 for accessibility on windows it used to use IAccessible2 and it's transitioning to UIA. It's different to GTK.

Back on topic I was trying out Jami a few months ago on android. The app seemed quite accessible however I had connectivity issues. On linux the app had more accessibility issues. Latelly jami have introduced so called open dht proxies that have reportedly improved connectivity for mobile apps though however I haven't played with jami with this inprovement in place.

These days I'm really excited about deltachat as I have recognized how much accessible the deltachat apps became latelly.

The fact messages are end to end encrypted as much as possible, chatmail does elliminate what makes email slow incl. spam / virus filtering, ability to migrate to a different chatmail relay is being considered / worked on.

Not to mention simple colaboration webxdc apps with p2p connectivity e.g. for handling file transfers, possibly audio calls in the future and other real time data.

So it is decentralized, it's federated, it's secure, it attempts to be lightweight as much as possible and as compared by other attempts it really turns to be that. Creating a profile, adding multiple devices, exchanging contact data is easy. Apps are very similar and simple at the same time on each platform. I believe it might be easy to use even for non tech savvy users.

Here is the blog post that is verry accurate and describes all of this in more details.

blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/del…
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