@quanin@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic@lynessence At least, from Ice Crhimp, you could go to a version with less bells and whistles, called frozen shrimp. And then, a very basic one called, breaded shrimp.
@mcourcel@quanin@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic Oh you mean while you're writing all kinds of AI music? Lol but seriously, I agree. I'm worried about the long-term effects on both the planet and our children.
@lynessence@dhamlinmusic@quanin@mcourcel I'm kind of not? Like, they didn't need AI to elect a fascist government to our south. AI might make things slightly better, or slightly worse...but mostly it'll just make things different. We didn't need AI to lose trust in the news media. Covid and vaccine conspiracies were alive and well before GPT. Bitcoin and cars were already destroying the environment. Cheap kids crap on YouTube was already destroying brains. AI is either a cure or a null factor.
@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic@quanin@mcourcel No but I certainly think AI helped with spreading conspiracy theories and far right talking points on all social media platforms. All of those algorithms can be rigged to show whatever they want you to see.
@lynessence@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic@mcourcel The thing is, we've been using AI and machine learning for decades. We just haven't been calling it that. The new component we've just layered on top of it is the large language model. The digital thermostat you probably had in 2005? Very basic AI.
@quanin@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel Yup. Artificial intelligence is a meaningless term, because we have no universal definition of what intelligence even is. And now we have people who hate AI complaining that Firefox added machine translation. Replace the word "AI" with "magic" anywhere it's used, and the semantic meaning will remain unchanged.
@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel Exactly. We haven't even figured out real intelligence and we're trying to develop the artificial variety? Have these people never seen a robot movie? The thing turns on its creator and they're all shocked faces, but it's just doing exactly what it was programmed to do. We suck at programming but it's the AI's fault.
@quanin@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel My hope is that if we ever really did develop an artificial general intelligence, it would be smarter than us, and realize that the selfish actions being taken by the ultra-wealthy aren't even good for them. Nothing they're doing is in any way rational. I suspect that's why we will never achieve an artificial general intelligence; it's only what they pretend to want, not what they actually want.
@fastfinge@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel I admire your optimism. What will more likely happen instead is the AI will indeed be smarter than us, and it will figure out it can do capitalism better than they can. And because it's AI, it'll (in theory) remove the emotion from the equation, so it will be able to rationalize any decision it makes.
@quanin@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel Right, but what does "do capitalism better" look like? Any actually smart AI will realize that if everyone is broke or dead, capitalism can't happen. The current capitalists either don't realize that or don't care. So the AI capitalist, from the case of humanity, will always be some kind of improvement.
@lynessence@dhamlinmusic@quanin@mcourcel The reason communism never works is because the people at the top are always crooked. If you had a mythical perfectly fair AI, it'd work fine. But AI is created by humans, so unless it's both magic and smarter than us, it won't be fair, either, because we still control it.
@fastfinge@lynessence@dhamlinmusic@mcourcel You should watch the series called Travelers. I believe it's on Netflix. The main characters in that series come from a future where AI is in control.
@quanin@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel Sure, sounds cool. But it's fantasy, not science fiction. Because again, "AI" is just a kind of magic, and always will be until we can define what we mean by intelligence. and we can't make prognostications about what magic can, or will, do.
@fastfinge@quanin@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@mcourcel I really shouldn't get mixed into this, but there is an algorithmic definition of intelligence around that works fine. Essentially, intelligence can be defined as the ability to compress information, for reasons too technical to get into (in essence, because compressing is predicting). This works surprisingly well for assessing the intelligence of systems. For example: arxiv.org/html/2404.09937v1
@modulux@dhamlinmusic@lynessence@quanin@mcourcel This seems to say that 7-zip is a smarter system than any human. It can compress data a lot better than I can! I'm not seeing how this definition could be useful in any conversation about the results or effects of intelligence.
