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Matt Campbell @matt@toot.cafe
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Question for people who vibe-code full apps, especially blind people, as I believe that covers most of my followers who do this: What would it take for you to be comfortable coding directly in a programming language without an LLM? A high-level programming language with better tutorials and quickstart templates than are currently available, particularly for writing real apps? Or do you believe that having an LLM generate the code is the only way you could practically do what you do?
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Nick Giannak III @nick@hkc.social
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@matt I took programming classes and discovered I get completely lost in the syntax. My brain isn't capable of translating conception into the actual modules and code pieces required, even if I am better than the average person at abstracting - in English - how a system behaves and selecting components that go with it. I genuinely do not believe I will ever be able to properly code.
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Matt Campbell @matt@toot.cafe
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@nick I'll be curious to hear what my followers who are into programming language design and psychology (I do have at least one follower in each of those fields) think of this. To me though, it sounds like we still have room for improvement in programming language design. Not that there's much funding for that, with everyone chasing AI.
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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@matt @nick Please no! If BGT and quorum haven’t taught everyone that designing an accessible programming language is a dead end, we are beyond hope. I would far rather blind people vibe code everything and at least get second hand exposure to mainstream tools, and maybe learn something that could help them get a job, than write BGT by hand.
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Matt Campbell @matt@toot.cafe
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@fastfinge I think I agree with you about BGT and Quorum, though I'm friends with Prof. Stefik (the lead developer of Quorum) and appreciate that his team is trying to make CS education more accessible. But I didn't suggest designing another programming language specifically for blind people, just improved programming language design in general. I refuse to believe that the current mainstream languages will be the last popular mainstream languages forevermore.

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🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 @fastfinge@interfree.ca
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@matt @nick Ah, got it. I misread you as suggesting yet another accessible programming language. I think the problem with Quorum falls less out of it being accessible, and more out of it being an “educational” language. Educational languages either never escape into the real world to help students do anything useful (scratch, logo) or they do escape into the real world and set everyone back for years (basic).
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