The bug where after being on for 24-36 hours, the second hard drive on my #framework 16 laptop just...disappears...is getting really, really old. I thought it was temperature, so I started logging that. But nope. It's not an issue with the flash, because the data always comes back just fine, and there are no read errors or anything. It just gets tired after a day and decides to go for a nap. This is the problem with a fully repairable laptop: I installed it, so whatever's wrong, it's now my problem. I can't just go bother Del or whomever. It's running #Windows 11 because screen readers on Linux are still terrible, so anyone suggesting "install Linux" as the answer gets blocked. But I really don't think it's a Windows thing; it's not in device manager, or anywhere. Only fully powering down the machine and turning it back on again helps. A restart isn't enough. So it has to be a hardware thing!
@mcourcel Yup. I thought that might be the issue, so I set it to always on for the hard discs. But there was no change. I also turned off sleep and hibernate, in case those were causing problems.
@fastfinge Okay, I'm not going to suggest anything, because I know your level of knowlege and I'm sure you made the same searches that I did. There was a patch done back in August that broke a bunch of stuff for hard drives, but I'm sure you saw that.
@mcourcel I did! I'm on the latest Windows update available, and my understanding is that this was fixed at some point? I installed the second drive back in January, and this only started at the beginning of October. So...I'm baffled. I'm also bothered, bewildered, bamboozled, and buffaloed.
@fastfinge@mcourcel You should switch to Linux. ducks But on a more serious note, you're not gonna like it but it sounds like a drive issue. If you go get yourself a USB enclosure and slap that drive in there, do you still have that problem after 24 hours? If yes, definitely drive. If not, connection issue internally.
@quanin@mcourcel Yeah, that's the next step. I got myself the upgraded motherboard and graphics module, so once they arrive I'll be opening up the machine again anyway, so I'll do more drive testing at that point. I intend to reuse the old motherboard to build a little media PC, so I might just put a new drive in the laptop, and put this drive in there and see what it does. That way if it is the drive it'll be easier for me to access, and I need a drive for the media PC anyway.
@quanin@mcourcel The Framework is...not bad to work on, for a laptop. So still bad and horrible obviously. But it's worth it to have a laptop I can actually upgrade; I'm sick and tired of a new laptop every three years. And I wanted a media PC anyway, so reusing the old parts fits perfectly into my life.
@fastfinge@mcourcel So I shouldn't tell you I bought my current laptop 5 years ago and it still works flawlessly then, right? LOL Even runs Windows 11 if I feel like brain damage.
@quanin@mcourcel See, I have that with my macs. But every Windows laptop I've ever had, even though the CPU etc are still fine, something always goes wrong by between three and five years. Sometimes it's the fans, or the keyboard, or the screen hinge, or the USB plugs get wonky, or the headphone jack stops working, or...something. And then it's out of warranty so it'd cost so much to fix it I might as well just get a new one. I've tossed so many perfectly good components for that reason over the years that it makes me cry.
@fastfinge@mcourcel How long have you had your current laptop? To be clear I'm not knocking the strategy at all but it sounds like you just shortened the timeline on that pattern. Also you just explained why I tend to lean toward Dell over places like HP. They're the only one with a 4-year warranty. It's not perfect but if the motherboard goes in year 3 I'm still covered. That's never happened.
@quanin@mcourcel I've had the laptop for a year. I don't actually need to upgrade the motherboard; I'm only doing it because I was otherwise going to build a media PC anyway, and this way I get two for the price of one. I wouldn't recommend any other blind Framework 16 owner to upgrade unless they have some use for the old motherboard. The second hard drive that is having issues is one I installed in January myself. So if I wasn't upgrading the laptop, I would just replace it and things would be fine. Nothing else is wrong with the machine. And if it was, all of the ports are expansion cards that I can replace for between $5 and $15 depending on the port in question.
@fastfinge@mcourcel You're jumping ahead a little. IF the drive is fine then it's a problem with where it's connected to the laptop internally. That's why I suggested a USB enclosure as a step. If the problem is internal, you might be transferring that problem to your media PC.
@quanin@mcourcel I'm also starting to wonder about something being underpowered. The USBC adapter is 180w, but at full load the machine pulls 240w. In theory, it should pull from the battery to make up the difference until the load goes back down. But, well, you know. Theory. I'm also grabbing myself a 240w USBC adapter, and I'm interested to see if that changes anything.
@quanin@mcourcel I don't even have another 180w USBC adapter to test with. And these things run super hot! So...I'm also giving this adapter a side-eye. I don't have a meter handy. But if I did...I wonder...
